
by: Alana A Jones
It’s the year 2008. Popular trends have brought the eighties back into our homes. The community’s music has risen to the center of the mainstream on the heels of conservative politics, republican economics, and ostentatious materialism. We wonder about the effects of our individualistic ideals while we face recession and suffer the pain of the hype.
From a monopoly of corporate sharking and mainstream noise that’s overrun the airways, and from deep in the sea of Indy artists that flood the internet underground, Dirty Water rises, with a trial of sounds and treasure chest of influences to confidently take the title as ‘The Best Group You Haven’t Heard Yet.’
The public is ready for ‘the real’ and Dirty Water is that mature and self-conscious voice.
Alumni of North Carolina Central University, where the duo met and joined creative forces, Joe D and Cee Brown bring lyrical styles bred of legendary mc’s like KRS One, Big Daddy Kane, and Slick Rick to bear on a production style influenced by Pete Rock, Premier, RZA and older school artists including Al Green and Isley Brothers. Both natives of D.C. and the Go-Go sound, the pair rides their professional roots in spoken word and as frontmen for North Carolina’s Marquee Band and Show, to create quality music, full of honest lyricism and smart musicality, for a well-versed audience.
In their latest self-titled album, Joe D and Cee Brown bring Hip Hop full-circle with twelve tracks that pay homage to the pillars of Hip Hop, R&B, and Soul while engaging listeners in something sincere and grown-up, we haven’t quite heard before. Dirty Water brings freshness, energy, and ingenuity- ‘the Modern’- to Hip Hop and to the Indy scene in which they are making a name for themselves.
In a recent interview with the duo, TRIBES Magazine takes on the creative team and enjoys an opportunity to learn more about Dirty Water’s origins, their path to notoriety, and their creative vision for the future.
TRIBES: Tell us a little about your meeting at NCCU.
Cee Brown: I guess in retrospect, it didn’t feel like it then, but there was all kinds of crazy stuff going on while we were down there. Of course, Little Brother was forming. I was classmates with Fonte and Joe lived in the same dorm with Pooh. Then, of course Yahzarah, [was there too]. So it was a small world. While all that was going on, we were in a go-go band, the Marquee Band and Show, and that’s actually how we met. Not how we met, but how we ended up hooking up creatively.
Joe D: There was a whole lot of weed smoking going on too. I don’t condone that but that…helps field relationships and ciphers, free style ciphers, and songs came out of that.
Cee Brown: It was a reason to get up.
Joe D: It was a reason to get up and then we had the beat machine there so we’d plug the mic in, start recording, and the rest is history.
TRIBES: You’re both from PG County, MD, just outside of WDC, which has produced a lot of criminal minds. Tell us about what it was like growing up in that area and how did it shape you as artists?
Joe Dee: All the dudes in PG County weren’t doing things to get locked up. I mean, PG County is like the most affluent of black counties in the U.S. so there were a lot of kids that had opportunities and, you know, that’s the beauty of us. We never front. We were never trying to be something that we weren’t; and I was a smart kid. I did my stuff. I partied. I went to the go-go’s and did all that stuff; but I pretty much kept my nose clean. That sort of [criminal] lifestyle was something that never really attracted me. I was DJ-ing. I was listening to hip-hop. I wasn’t really into the whole thug life element.
TRIBES: You can definitely hear the honesty in the music.
Joe D: We value certain things. I think that being a man and raising your family and doing the right thing…that’s harder than being hard. Being responsible is what should really be held high. So, [thugging] was never something I got into because I had parents there and a big brother that were always influences on me in a good way. I was going to do the right thing. You know, there was still that element, but I just knew that you have to do the best that you can for yourself.
TRIBES: Talk about the dominance of certain styles in Hip Hop music today?
Cee Brown: At the end of the day, it all ends up being a good thing. Like Snoop used to say, “it all ends up being good” because even the corny, bubblegum stuff adds to the larger picture and once the mainstream market gets saturated with all the nonsense and they can’t take it any more, the attention gets shifted back to the underground.
TRIBES: Mainstream is so ready for ‘Dirty Water’!
Cee Brown: Well, yeah. Yeah, in a way but then you can’t go into it thinking that you’re going to make a million dollars and sell five and six million records like they used to do back in the late nineties; when Jay and them first hit and Biggie was rockin’-and-rolllin’ and Outkast was at there peak and people were selling eight and nine and ten million records. I don’t think the industry supports that kind of career for an artist anymore, what with everything that’s going on with the internet and mp3s and what have you. But if you’re talking about being able to sustain yourself and make a living as an artist, I think that the market is definitely ready for artists of substance; that have something to say, that have multiple influences musically and that are trying to attack more than one of your senses.
TRIBES: Your bio says your music is as ‘hip hop as it should be’. How exactly should Hip Hop be?
Cee Brown: Hip hop really is a relative term. It is whatever your perception is and whatever you like. Of course there are certain basic cultural elements that have to be there. Otherwise it’s rock and roll, or it’s soul music, or it’s country music. Certain things have to be in place for it to be hip hop. But, we say it’s hip hop as it should be because [our music] has integrity. We are ourselves and that’s one of the main ingredients of hip hop- You have to be there. It can’t be some character that you created. You put a little salad dressing on it and, you know, spice it up, create an image for yourself, that’s all fine, but you still have to be there. It has to be about you and if you’re not involved in your own art then it can’t be hip hop because then it’s not real and hip hop is supposed to be real.
TRIBES: How has the response been to your CD latest project?
Cee Brown: It’s been all positive. Of course, it’s difficult to promote, now because…It’s a blessing and curse, with the market being open to independent artists on the internet. Basically anybody can get on the internet and do anything they want to do, if they’ve got enough time. But it’s a blessing and a curse because it’s like trying to be noticed in a riot. There’s so much material out there now. So it’s difficult to promote and I guess that’s any independent artist’s gripe. Promotion is the biggest part of it and the hardest part of it.
TRIBES: Anything else you want the world to know about Dirty Water?
Joe D: I would tell him to stay true to his roots. I would definitely say you’ve gotta be true to yourself if that’s something you really want to do because it’s hard work. It’s the music business and you can only deal with a lot of the bullshit if you love doing the music. Just be true. With this and anything you set out to do, do it for all the right reasons.
Stay true to yourself, keep Jah first, and believe in yourself.